BX23 BH vs B7800 BH
tractornewbie
Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 51 Massachusetts |
2005-09-17 116567
Hi Folks,
I know the B7800 BH will out dog the BX23 BH but I'm curious by how much.
Is it night and day? Can the B7800 dig out a 24" stump fairly easy where that size stump is too much for the BX?
And, how about the B7510's BH? Is that one closer to the BX23's capability than the B7800?
Still haven't made a move yet due to my employment situation but it looks like things may be brightening in that area, so I'm back looking at tractors.
Thanks alot,
DT.
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agentiron
Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 12 Indiana |
2005-09-18 116590
I have similar questions myself.
I am looking at both unit currently. I really like so many things about the bx, but don't want something too small. Seems that the difference between a 6 foot bh and a 7.5 can't be all that much. You are not going to be using the 7.5 to excavate a basement so how often would the extra 1.5 foot come in handy. Seems like speed is the difference. If you can't quite dislodge something with the BX, the bigger unit might do it faster because of it's strength. Also you have more reach so you may not have to move as often allowing greater speed. Seems like if time is money and you use the hoe alot, the bigger the better. If time is not vital, I bet the little BX could do 99 percent of what it's big brother could do.
I am currious to hear replys.
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tractornewbie
Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 51 Massachusetts |
2005-09-18 116591
Agent, sounds right.
In addition to my own jobs I'd like to make a few bucks on the side with it. In those cases I can't be spending 2-3 days digging out a big stump. Not a confidence builder for customers for them to see you struggling with your equipment trying to do something they're paying for.
I'd also like to buy a decent size snow blower (front mounted) and make some money in the winter.
For making money, the larger the better but if the BX isn't all that much different I'd buy it.
I've also read that using a BH on a B-Series can do bad things to the tractor frame.
Not sure how accurate that is.
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AV8R
Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 882 North Central Wisconsin Pics |
2005-09-18 116593
The problems with b-series BH's are with the 3pt mounted ones. They can put excessive stress on the top link mount and/or transmission case. If a sub-frame mount is used these issues are nearly eliminated.
The B series (especially the 30hp 7800) have *ALLOT* more hydraulic capacity than the BX does (flow and power). The BX will do the same jobs, but the B will do them much faster and more efficiently. If you can afford the B, and the larger chassis size is not to large for your needs, bigger is always better. ....
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BX23 BH vs B7800 BH
tractornewbie
Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 51 Massachusetts |
2005-09-18 116596
AV,
How do you define "too large for your needs"?
To me, too large for one's needs means too large to fit in the spaces it had to go into.
No?
And maybe too large to fit in the garage/shed...
Can you think of any others?
Thanks,
DT.
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agentiron
Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 12 Indiana |
2005-09-18 116598
I need manuverability and am currious how long a B7800 is with BH and loader? Also, how long are we looking at for Bushhogs? I was thinking of a 5 or 6 footer, about how long would a B7800 be with loader and Bushhog? I have 18 foot of trailer, and figure I would need every bit of it. I was looking at the L series with loader and Bushhog and believe I would barely fit with tractor and Bushhog alone?
I need to work in some tight areas, and the B7800 looks twice as big as the BX, and the L series looks twice that of the B7800.
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kwschumm
Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 5764 NW Oregon Pics |
2005-09-18 116599
Another downside to larger is the need for a bigger trailer and truck to haul it if you need to. ....
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BX23 BH vs B7800 BH
BenEAmonette
Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 34 Radford, VA |
2005-09-18 116600
I have a 7800, and with a FEL and box blade, it is about 16 feet long. You are correct; your 18 foot trailer would be very full. ....
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BX23 BH vs B7800 BH
tractornewbie
Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 51 Massachusetts |
2005-09-18 116601
Without the box blade how long is it?
Thanks,
DT.
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BenEAmonette
Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 34 Radford, VA |
2005-09-18 116611
I used a tape to measure my tractor, and the length I told you earlier is not accurate. Actually, from the tip of the bucket (not including toothbar) to the backside of the rear tire, it is 12 feet. To the rear of the box blade, it is 14 1/2 feet. Hope this helps. ....
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tractornewbie
Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 51 Massachusetts |
2005-09-18 116612
Thanks for the update Ben.
I'll have to re-measure my garage. Still sounds too big for me though.
Dang.
DT.
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ncrunch32
Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 762 Kingston, NY Pics |
2005-09-19 116616
If you are digging 24 inch stumps I would definitely get the B over the BX. When it comes to digging stumps you need the largest CUT you can afford and trailer around. You can look awfully stupid even with larger tractors when pulling stumps. Be patient and make sure you bring your chain saw with you to cut through large roots that are giving you trouble. ....
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DRankin
Join Date: Jan 2000 Posts: 5116 Northern Nevada Pics |
2005-09-19 116619
The BX23 is 14 feet from the edge of the bucket to the rear of the transport-locked back hoe.
The B7800 measured the same way should span very close to 16 feet.
I had a BX22 and now have a JD 4115 (a B7800 class TLB). If there is a difference in the power of the two backhoes, it is not discernible in the field. Both will rip though arm-thick tree roots.
Once you have the horizontal roots severed, you can chain the tractor to the strongest one and spin the stump like a top. Usually a full turn will twist off the tap root and allow the stump to be easily extracted.
To get a measurable increase in digging power, I think you have to step way up the line, like maybe double the size and HP of the BX. ....
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tractornewbie
Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 51 Massachusetts |
2005-09-19 116627
Thanks DR!
That's great info.
Just what I wanted to hear.
Looks like BX it is!
DT.
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AV8R
Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 882 North Central Wisconsin Pics |
2005-09-19 116631
DR: Is the power of the FEL discernible?
I know my neighbor's B7100 with a Woods FEL is quite a bit stronger than my BX2230. ....
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DRankin
Join Date: Jan 2000 Posts: 5116 Northern Nevada Pics |
2005-09-19 116634
There is a noticeable difference in the power of the FEL.
The BX bucket is scaled back in volume and it will lift its volume in damp soil to the maximum height.
If you put forks on the bucket it is pretty weak.
My 4100 and the current 4115 have bigger buckets to match the increased lift capacity and both were able to lift the nose of a 21 foot 5th wheel travel trailer and park it while the BX couldn't. ....
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Join Date: Posts: 1 |
2005-12-13 121017
I didn't know they made fifth wheel's that were only 21 feet long. ....
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DRankin
Join Date: Jan 2000 Posts: 5116 Northern Nevada Pics |
2005-12-14 121042
Yup. It's an ALJO. I used to have one even shorter. ....
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